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| Leader | Shady Morsi |
| President | Robbin Kalkhoven |
| Founded | December 2, 2023 |
| Split from | ChristianUnion |
| Headquarters | Leiden |
| Ideology | |
| Political position | Syncretic |
| Citizens' Council on Energy Transition | 1 / 150 |
 The motion being discussed at the PerspectieF congress | |
| Native name | Amstel Biermotie |
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| Date | October 14, 2023 |
| Time | 18:00-21:15 (UTC) |
| Venue | Chocoladefabriek |
| Location | Gouda |
| Type | Legislation |
| Motive | To not serve Amstel Beer at PerspectieF conferences and/or Kick-offs |
| First reporter | C. Flikeweert |
| Organised by | PerspectieF, ChristianUnion-youth |
| Participants | Shady Morsi (motion) A. Oudman (speaking, reading and defending) E. Zandberg (counter motion) |
| Outcome | Motion Rejected 10 / 45 31 / 45 4 / 45 |
Template:Infobox legislation The Amstel Bier Motie, with its official title Avondmaal Zonder Amstel, (English:"Supper without Amstel") is a motion proposed in the General Meeting of PerspectieF. This motion, which has garnered attention within the organization, was introduced by Shady Morsi, a former Duo-Councilor in Schiedam, who has been actively involved with PerspectieF since 2021. The core objective of the motion is to advocate for a ban on Amstel Beer during the organization's future kick-offs and conferences. The motion was a highly debated and tumultuous event causing an unexpected and unprecedented wave of commotion and discussions among members. This motion took center stage and overshadowed many other important political motions which was also introduced by Morsi. Including combating period poverty and a condemnation of Jobbik joining the ECPM
As the debates over the Amstel boycott motion raged on, a counter-motion emerged, from the board suggesting the complete ban of all beer brands. Which was triggered due to the motion's wording. This counter-motion aimed to address the issue by targeting the entire industry and also combating alcholism alltoghether, rather than singling out one particular brand. It was a contentious proposal that sought to eliminate the root cause of the dispute by banning all beer consumption in PerspectieF The counter-motion was eventually struck down by the members of the legislative body. This decision reflected the realization that a blanket ban on beer would be an overreach, After a prolonged period of passionate debates and commotion, the original motion to boycott Amstel was put to a final vote. Surprisingly, it was voted down, leaving Amstel untouched. The decision to reject the motion demonstrated that the general membership believed Amstel was not the sole culprit in the dispute, and that a more nuanced approach was needed to address the underlying issues.
Although initially made as a joke, and due to Morsi's dislike of Amstel Beer, the motion had a substantial and far-reaching impact on PerspectieF and its internal discourse. The controversy surrounding the motion sparked a lively internal debate, highlighting the organization's commitment to democratic principles and its willingness to engage in open and transparent discussions. Ultimately, the discussion about Amstel Beer Motion was seen as one of the "most lively debates" in the organisation and one member described as "one of the most legendary meetings ever"
Background
Shady Morsi who was a duo-councilor in Schiedam for the ChristenUnie was also very involved within the parties youth wing PerspectieF, Morsi sat in PerspectieF's Europe Comitee, Congress Comitee and its think thank, Morsi also sought to further his involvement by running for a board position, and despite him being the frontrunner he withdrew due to commitments related to his college education,
Morsi was before his involvement within PerspectieF member of DWARS, the political youth organization of GreenLeft and served in its education comission. One of the significant developments during Morsi's involvement in DWARS was the introduction of a motion in 2019. This motion aimed to implement a ban on the consumption of Heineken products at all DWARS events and congresses. The rationale behind this motion was grounded in environmental and social concerns, aligning with GreenLeft's principles and ideals. The motion was re-affirmed during a subsequent congress held in 2022. This re-affirmation solidified the organization's commitment to the cause, emphasizing the importance of responsible consumption and sustainable practices.
The motion to ban Heineken at DWARS events served as the primary inspiration for the "Avondmaal zonder Amstel". Though the motion was based on Morsi's personal dislike for Amstel Morsi's aversion to Amstel Beer was evident in his vocal criticism of the brand. He famously likened Amstel beer to "piss" on multiple occasions, drawing attention to its perceived inferior taste and quality. He further emphasized his disdain by noting that "at least real urine is recyclable"
Motion
The motion was one of 13 motions introduced during the Kick-off 2023 event held in Gouda. These motions were brought forth by Shady Morsi, Morsi was the sole contributor of motions during the event. However, due to his absence at the convention, (as he was situated in Egypt at the time), he designated A. Oudman to represent him and act as his spokeswoman. A. Oudman, who was a fellow member of PerspectieF and a provincial politician from Groningen offered herself to represent Morsi at the General Meeting, Avondmaal Zonder Amstel was the sixth motion being covered in the General Meeting
Dutch Text
Het congres van PerspectieF, ChristenUnie-Jongeren, in vergadering bijeen op zaterdag 14 oktober 2023 te Gouda,
Constaterende dat:
- PerspectieF streeft naar kwaliteit in haar werk als jongerenorganisatie van de
ChristenUnie en heeft als doel om jongeren te betrekken en te inspireren
- Amstel Bier is zo generiek dat het onmogelijk is om het te onderscheiden van een
dozijn andere goedkope biermerken
Overwegende dat:
- PerspectieF streeft naar hoogwaardige en zinvolle bijeenkomsten voor haar
deelnemers.
- De keuze van dranken tijdens congressen heeft een significante invloed op de
ervaring en de professionele uitstraling van het evenement.
- Amstel-bier een veelvoorkomend en populair merk is, maar dat de kwaliteit en
uitstraling niet altijd overeenkomen met de doelstellingen van PerspectieF
Verzoekt het bestuur:
- Vanaf de volgende congressen en/of Kick-offs om geen Amstel-bier te serveren
English Text
The conference of PerspectieF, Christian Union-Youth, meeting on Saturday, October 14, 2023 in Gouda,
Noting that:
- PerspectieF strives for quality in its work as the youth organization of the
ChristenUnie and aims to involve and inspire young people
- Amstel Bier is so generic that it is impossible to distinguish it from one
dozen other cheap beer brands
Whereas:
- PerspectieF strives for high-quality and meaningful meetings for her
participants.
- The choice of drinks during conferences has a significant influence on the
experience and the professional appearance of the event.
- Amstel beer is a common and popular brand, but the quality and...
appearance does not always match the objectives of PerspectieF
Requests the Board to:
- From the next conferences and/or Kick-offs not to serve Amstel beer
The General Board of PerspectieF's pre-advise was judgment of the assembly with the reasoning being: Template:Blockquote
Events
The PerspectieF General Meeting was held during the Kick-Off event on October 14th in Gouda at the Chocholade Factory a former chocolade factory turned conferance room. The annual kickoff serves as the traditional commencement of the new political year for PerspectieF,The event was marked by its heightened significance due to its alignment with the upcoming Dutch Election. Given this focus, a notable array of CU dignitaries and prominent figures graced the occasion. Among those in attendance were Anja Haga, Member of the European Parliament ; Mirjam Bikker, the party leader; Pieter Grinwis, and Nico Drost ' both MP's, Carla Dik-Faber, Former MP and Ankie van Tatehove, the party's chairwoman. The kick-off offered their participants workshops in campaining, a session about the European Parliament, a discussion about Direct action and in public speeking
The general meeting commenced after dinner around 18:00 local time and was characterized by several essential segments, including amendments, presentations of plans from the board, and a dedicated question hour where members had the opportunity to seek clarification and raise questions The heart of the General Meeting was the discussion and voting on various motions proposed during the event. The first five motions on the agenda were voted upon uneventfully, However, the tranquility of the meeting was disrupted due to this particular motion.
This motion seemed to draw substantial attention and debate. It is essential to note that "Avondmaal zonder Amstel" is an intriguing and cryptic phrase, and it didnt represent the organization's culture or agenda. as PerspectieF, is known for its serious and professional demeanor, historically maintained a reputation for a lack of emphasis on satire within its activities. This characterization stemmed from its identity as a confessional-oriented group, highlighting its serious approach to political engagement. Unlike its more left-leaning counterpart, DWARS, PerspectieF was seen as a bastion of gravity and formality,(such as members wearing suits and ties at every meeting) attracting members with a keen focus on professional political discourse rather than the utilization of satire. The organization's ethos primarily drew a demographic more aligned with serious political ideologies rather than the satirical and student like humor dominated ambiance that characterized DWARS. This distinction delineated PerspectieF as a contrasting hub for politically minded individuals seeking a more orthodox and somber approach to youth engagement within the political landscape.
The motion was put forward by A. Oudman (who covered the other motions aswell), presenting a statement authored by Shady Morsi, The statement articulated the organization's commitment to delivering high-quality experiences while aiming to offer substantial meaning and inspiration to the younger demographic and that Amstel's "inferior quality didnt fit in the goals of PerspectieF" In response to this statement, the board deliberated and provided their response,
A. Oudman emerged as a defender of the motion, advocating for its implementation. And a lot of questions where asked. However, the wording of the proposal raised concerns among some members, including Incumbent Board Member E. Zandberg, specifically regarding the broader implications on drink choices during conferences. Zandberg expressed a more stringent perspective, suggesting the complete abolition of alcoholic beverages during PerspectieF events. She argued that the selection of drinks wielded a substantial influence on the overall experience and professional image of these gatherings. Zandberg even went as far as suggesting the elimination of beer entirely from conferences organized by PerspectieF, However, Zandberg's counter motion encountered notable opposition and was ultimately withdrawn, reflecting its unpopularity among the organization's members. The ensuing debates regarding the initial ban on Amstel Beer concluded with a vote, wherein the motion was ultimately rejected. The voting outcome stood at 31 against the ban and 10 in favor with 4 absentions. Mainly "because Amstel was not the only one who should/could be boycotted".This discussion also unintendedly arranged to adjourn at 20:30 local time. However, owing to extensive discussions and unforeseen deliberations, the meeting continued beyond the scheduled time, concluding at 21:15.
Votes
14 October 2023
Motion 6, Avondmaal zonder Amstel Motion proposed by Shady Morsi presented, read and defended by A. Oudman Absolute majority: 25/45 | ||
| Vote | Votes | |
 In Favor |
10 / 45 | |
 Against |
31 / 45 | |
| Abstentions | 4 / 45 | |
| Vote Comission | 3 / 45 | |
Legacy
The motion, despite its satirical nature, sparked intense debate within PerspectieF, a reaction that differed significantly from the reception typically accorded to serious political motions., Oudman, expressed surprise at the level of attention, remarking that the motion generated more discussion than expected. Oudman was quoted saying, "I expected the laundry list of substantive motions to be more intense. It's insane that this one gets the most coverage."
The rapid escalation of the motion caught many off guard, with Morsi particularly shocked by its trajectory. "The situation took an unexpected turn when a board member suggested a complete ban on alcohol, expressing dismay at what they perceived as a significant misunderstanding of the motion".
The impact extended beyond PerspectieF, drawing reactions from other members of various political youth organizations. Xenia Minnaert, chairwoman of PINK, expressed amazement at the unfolding events. Furthermore, Zandberg reacted to Minnaert's response by stating that she had "survived a Congress and motion of lamentation,"
Criticism of the motion was vocal, with detractors dismissing it as trivial. Some opponents argued that the motion, centered around beer, was inconsequential, unnessesary and stupid stating phrases like "Beer is Beer" and expressing sentiments such as "I thought that was somewhat of a waste of time." Many critics highlighted that the motion added little to the organization's overarching goals, leading to some labeling it as "the worst motion ever written."
Conversely, proponents of the motion highlighted the invaluable impact of the discussions it generated. Morsi aimed to infuse PerspectieF with a more youthful and inclusive spirit, emphasizing the importance of fostering engaging discussions among the organization's members. Morsi articulated a vision for PerspectieF, stating that it should not solely focus on serious matters. A member even send a letter personally thanking Morsi for the "for the energetic General Meeting, it was legendary" Morsi advocated for a balance, mentioning, "PerspectieF shouldn't be that serious all the time. We are young as well, and some tomfoolery is allowed." Morsi aimed to create a more vibrant environment for political discourse within the youth organization.Morsi was amazsed at the unexpected focus on beer, expressing disbelief that his political legacy within PerspectieF would be tied to such a subject. He highlighted the significance of the organization in providing a platform for youthful perspectives, explaining, "You can sometimes be a student at the political youth organization. This, however, is unthinkable in mature politics once you are representing our mother party (ChristianUnion)."
The motion's contentious nature and subsequent discussions not only brought attention to the nature of political discourse within the youth organization but also emphasized the evolving role of young voices in shaping political narratives. Despite the controversy surrounding the motion, it served as a catalyst for important conversations regarding the balance between serious political engagement and the inclusion of more lighthearted or unconventional topics within youth political groups.
See Also
- Krokettenmotie - a motion proposed in the municipal council of Amstelveen on 25 November 1993 by future Prime Minister of the Netherlands Jan Peter Balkenende, The motion called for the right of members of the municipal council to a croquette if a council meeting lasts until after 23:00. It was meant as a joke, but because the other parties agreed, the motion was adopted and is still in force
- Polish Beer-Lovers' Party