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== Winning percentage four digits ==
Can an option be done for goal percentage with 4 digits, for example like the win percentage with notratio setting?

I need help if there is another notratio code for goal percentage please, anyone who can help me?

=== Example ===
{{#invoke:Sports table|main|style=WL
|update=4 February 2022
|source=[https://nbl.com.au/stats/ladder NBL.com.au]
|ranking_style=percentage
|pct_style=notratio
|use_goal_percentage=yes
|split4=1
|teamwidth=250

|team1=SEM |team2=MEL |team3=PER |team4=ILL |team5=TAS |team6=SYD |team7=BNE |team8=ADL |team9=CNS |team10=NZB

|win_SEM=6 |loss_SEM=2 |gf_SEM=686 |ga_SEM=636 |name_SEM = [[South East Melbourne Phoenix]]
|win_MEL=8 |loss_MEL=3 |gf_MEL=931 |ga_MEL=830 |name_MEL = [[Melbourne United]]
|win_PER=7 |loss_PER=3 |gf_PER=880 |ga_PER=809 |name_PER = [[Perth Wildcats]]
|win_ILL=6 |loss_ILL=5 |gf_ILL=962 |ga_ILL=966 |name_ILL = [[Illawarra Hawks]]
|win_TAS=5 |loss_TAS=6 |gf_TAS=834 |ga_TAS=837 |name_TAS = [[Tasmania JackJumpers]]
|win_SYD=5 |loss_SYD=7 |gf_SYD=959 |ga_SYD=987 |name_SYD = [[Sydney Kings]]
|win_BNE=4 |loss_BNE=6 |gf_BNE=844 |ga_BNE=880 |name_BNE = [[Brisbane Bullets]]
|win_ADL=4 |loss_ADL=6 |gf_ADL=805 |ga_ADL=854 |name_ADL = [[Adelaide 36ers]]
|win_CNS=2 |loss_CNS=4 |gf_CNS=459 |ga_CNS=484 |name_CNS = [[Cairns Taipans]]
|win_NZB=3 |loss_NZB=8 |gf_NZB=866 |ga_NZB=943 |name_NZB = [[New Zealand Breakers]]

|result1=SF |result2=SF |result3=SF |result4=SF
|res_col_header=Q
|col_SF=green1 |text_SF=Semi-Finals
}}

[[User:Giacontigers|Giacontigers]] ([[User talk:Giacontigers|talk]]) 12:10, 6 February 2022 (AEDT)


== Dashes instead of zeros ==

Hello, please see the second sports table in '''[[2025 UEFA Women's Under-19 Championship qualification#Draw|this section]]'''. How could those two zeros in 23rd row be replaced with mdashes? [[User:Maiō T.|Maiō T.]] ([[User talk:Maiō T.|talk]]) 20:55, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

:Why should they? [[User:Tvx1|T]][[User Talk:Tvx1|v]][[Special:Contributions/Tvx1|x]]1 09:20, 15 November 2025 (UTC)

::Because now it says that Malta earned 0 points. But Malta didn't play at all. So they earned &mdash; points. This style looks more logical. [[User:Maiō T.|Maiō T.]] ([[User talk:Maiō T.|talk]]) 09:42, 15 November 2025 (UTC)
:::If they didn't play, why are they even in the table? [[User:Nthep|Nthep]] ([[User talk:Nthep|talk]]) 21:51, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

::::Because that table is actually a seeding list of participating teams that will play in the current season. All those numbers are actually results from the previous season. So Malta must be in that table, but without results. Okay, and now remove those two zeros! [[User:Maiō T.|Maiō T.]] ([[User talk:Maiō T.|talk]]) 18:17, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
:::::so it's not actually a league table but a list of seedings based on previous performance?  That really is an edge case to the module and I don't see the benefit in amending the module when the tables you replaced in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2025_UEFA_Women%27s_Under-19_Championship_qualification&diff=1321993745&oldid=1317337732 this edit] could have been expanded to contain the necessary information - whatever that is. [[User:Nthep|Nthep]] ([[User talk:Nthep|talk]]) 18:50, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
::::::{{re|Maiō T.}} The purpose of this module is not for draw pots, as it includes a lot of information that is just not necessary. Wikitables have worked perfectly well for that purpose for a very long time, even on World Cup and Olympics articles. Your use of this module to create the draw pots made that article needlessly complicated to view and understand. Frankly, the module shouldn't have even been used for the Round 2 draw pots. Your comment {{tq|"now remove those two zeros!"}} comes across as very demanding and [[WP:CIVIL|uncivil]], as if you are just a petulant child. I suggest you [[WP:DROPTHESTICK]] on this issue, as it will take far too much time and effort for a single use case. —&nbsp;[[User:Jkudlick|Jkudlick]]&nbsp;&#x2693;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Jkudlick|(talk)]] 19:30, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

:::::::@[[User:Jkudlick|Jkudlick]]: I apologize for my strange behavior. I just read the articles you suggested:<br>[[WP:CIVIL]] – I took it to heart and I will follow it in the future.<br>[[WP:DROPTHESTICK]] – Please wait a few days. I think it shouldn't be a problem to add the option to set custom values for two parameters to the module. You wrote: {{tq|a single use case}} but this year alone there were two cases (I mean ''new entries'' in two qualifications) and there will certainly be more cases in the future, as this system will be used in four events each year. So we should leave some time for further discussion. [[User:Maiō T.|Maiō T.]] ([[User talk:Maiō T.|talk]]) 22:00, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
::::::::{{re|Maiō T.}} Again, this is not the purpose of this module. Just use wikitables like the ones used at [[2026 FIFA World Cup qualification (UEFA)#Draw]] or [[2026 FIFA World Cup qualification (UEFA)#Second round]]. They are much easier to build and maintain as well as being much smaller bit-wise. I don't understand why you insist on [[reinventing the wheel]]. —&nbsp;[[User:Jkudlick|Jkudlick]]&nbsp;&#x2693;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Jkudlick|(talk)]] 23:49, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
{{#invoke:Sports table|main|style=Custom
|source=UEFA
|num_cols=8
|col_header1=Pld
|col_header8=Pts
|show_groups=yes
|group_header={{abbr|Gr&nbsp;(Rk)|Group (Rank in group)}}
|group_GEO=[[2024 UEFA Women's Under-19 Championship qualification#Group B5 2|'''B5''' (4)]] |name_GEO={{fbwu|19|GEO}}
|group_MLT={{New entry}} |name_MLT={{fbwu|19|MLT}}
:<!--UPDATE standings below (including date)-->
|update=complete
|col1_GEO=0 |col2_GEO=0 |col3_GEO=0 |col4_GEO=3 |col5_GEO=13|col6_GEO=0 |col7_GEO=0 |col8_GEO=0 
|col1_MLT=— |col2_MLT=— |col3_MLT=— |col4_MLT=— |col5_MLT=— |col6_MLT=— |col7_MLT=— |col8_MLT=— 
<!--UPDATE positions below (check tiebreakers)-->
|team_order=GEO, MLT
|class_rules=1) round 1 position; 2) points; 3) goal difference; 4) goals scored; 5) disciplinary points; 6) position in the applicable rankings.
|res_col_header=Seeding
|result1 =1 |result2 =1
|col_1=green1  |text_1=Pot 1
}}
you're welcome {{ping|Maiō T.}} [[User:Quri.inka|Quri.inka]] ([[User talk:Quri.inka|talk]]) 22:17, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

:{{re|Quri.inka}} You may also wish to read [[WP:CIVIL]]. That comment is [[WP:NPA|not appropriate]]. —&nbsp;[[User:Jkudlick|Jkudlick]]&nbsp;&#x2693;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Jkudlick|(talk)]] 23:41, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
::I'm sorry, I didn't like Maiō T.'s commanding tone. I shouldn't have responded to him. [[User:Quri.inka|Quri.inka]] ([[User talk:Quri.inka|talk]]) 08:26, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

:::This is awful... Please take one more look at the current, official source code of this module. When we use the '''{{abbr|GF|Goals for}}''' (or '''{{abbr|GA|Goals against}}''') parameter with a non-numeric value, the '''{{abbr|GD|Goal difference}}''' result in the table is&nbsp;&mdash; and that's perfect. I have a dream that someday I will use a non-numeric value for the '''win''' (or '''draw''' or '''loss''') parameter and the table will display the '''{{abbr|Pld|Played}}''' and '''{{abbr|Pts|Points}}''' results as&nbsp;&mdash;<br>[[User:Maiō T.|Maiō T.]] ([[User talk:Maiō T.|talk]]) 16:24, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Look what I can do with the WDL/sandbox version:
{{#invoke:Sports table|main|style=WDL/sandbox
|source=UEFA
|show_groups=yes
|group_header={{abbr|Gr&nbsp;(Rk)|Group (Rank in group)}}
|group_GEO=[[2024 UEFA Women's Under-19 Championship qualification#Group B5 2|'''B5''' (4)]] |name_GEO={{fbwu|19|GEO}}
|group_MLT={{New entry}} |name_MLT={{fbwu|19|MLT}} |matches_MLT=—

<!--UPDATE standings below (including date)-->
|update=complete
|win_GEO=1 |draw_GEO=0 |loss_GEO=3 |gf_GEO=2 |ga_GEO=13
|win_MLT=— |draw_MLT=— |loss_MLT=— |gf_MLT=— |ga_MLT=—

<!--UPDATE positions below (check tiebreakers)-->
|team_order=GEO, MLT

|res_col_header=Seeding
|result1 =1 |result2 =1

|col_1=green1  |text_1=Pot 1
}}
I added just a hundred bytes to the [[:Module:Sports table/WDL/sandbox]] and it works perfectly. It's ready to be copied to live. And then we could happily close this topic and forget about bad things. [[User:Maiō T.|Maiō T.]] ([[User talk:Maiō T.|talk]]) 18:38, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

:Whether it works or not, and it needs more than one example to establish that, there's still no explanation, let alone a consensus, to push the module into doing things it was never intended for. A more than adequate way of doing exactly what you want to display with a standard wikitable has been demonstrated and I'm not understanding why you want to deflect this module to achieve the same end. [[User:Nthep|Nthep]] ([[User talk:Nthep|talk]]) 09:27, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

::Above is written something about [[reinventing the wheel]]. However, I don't want to reinvent the wheel, but to put a fender on it. So I'm gonna be bold an I'm gonna add those '''100&nbsp;B''' of data to that module. And in ten minutes someone will come, do a revert, and say: "It is forbidden to use fenders on our wheels. If you want a wheel with a fender, make one yourself at home." 😉 [[User:Maiō T.|Maiō T.]] ([[User talk:Maiō T.|talk]]) 12:25, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
:::There's no consensus for the change. [[WP:BRD]] says Discuss, not ignore and do what you want. [[User:Nthep|Nthep]] ([[User talk:Nthep|talk]]) 15:21, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Okay, let's ask Wikipedia users which table is prettier: the one from the sandbox above, or the current version below...
{{#invoke:Sports table|main|style=WDL
|source=UEFA
|show_groups=yes
|group_header={{abbr|Gr&nbsp;(Rk)|Group (Rank in group)}}
|group_GEO=[[2024 UEFA Women's Under-19 Championship qualification#Group B5 2|'''B5''' (4)]] |name_GEO={{fbwu|19|GEO}}
|group_MLT={{New entry}} |name_MLT={{fbwu|19|MLT}} |matches_MLT=—

<!--UPDATE standings below (including date)-->
|update=complete
|win_GEO=1 |draw_GEO=0 |loss_GEO=3 |gf_GEO=2 |ga_GEO=13
|win_MLT=— |draw_MLT=— |loss_MLT=— |gf_MLT=— |ga_MLT=—

<!--UPDATE positions below (check tiebreakers)-->
|team_order=GEO, MLT

|res_col_header=Seeding
|result1 =1 |result2 =1

|col_1=green1  |text_1=Pot 1
}}
In the current, official version of the [[:Module:Sports table/WDL]], it is possible to write 7 out of 8 parameters in the form of a mdash, as you can see. So why not all 8? I think it's a bug that needs to be fixed. [[User:Maiō T.|Maiō T.]] ([[User talk:Maiō T.|talk]]) 19:38, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

:It's not a bug, the module isn't designed to do what you're wanting it to do. It's for recording league tables where matches have been played (or are due to be played). It's not for recording seeding pools where some member hasn't done anything.  
:Prettiness of one version of this module or another isn't the point. You're still not answering the question about why using a normal wikitable to achieve what you want as demonstrated above by Quri.inka isn't the solution. [[User:Nthep|Nthep]] ([[User talk:Nthep|talk]]) 19:58, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

::Aaahhh, wikitables... And all those <code>style=text-align:center</code> codes, etc... Okay Nthep, you could write an essay about using modules to create sports tables: What is allowed and what is not. Or there is also a second option: I'm gonna reinvent something. Not the wheel, but a simple template version of sports tables. When I was young, there was such a possibility on Wikipedia. Those were beautiful times... 24 foreign-language Wikipedias have adopted that template; they are still ready to use. And here it was removed... Do you remember? For example, see this Czech version: [[cs:Šablona:Fb cl2 header navbar/Fb cl2 team]]. But I would still rather use the original idea: adding an eighth mdash to the module. [[User:Maiō T.|Maiō T.]] ([[User talk:Maiō T.|talk]]) 22:22, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
:::That czech table you link to is just another results table, not a seedings list like we’re discussing here. [[User:Tvx1|T]][[User Talk:Tvx1|v]][[Special:Contributions/Tvx1|x]]1 15:31, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
::::{{re|Maiō T.}} You stated "{{tq|Aaahhh, wikitables... And all those}} <code>style=text-align:center</code> {{tq|codes, etc...}} It seems you are not aware of {{tl|Table alignment}} and {{tl|Vertical align rows}} which make building and maintaining wikitables much simpler. You also stated you are not trying to reinvent the wheel, when that is EXACTLY what you are doing. A simple way of displaying the information you want already exists in wikitables; forcing the module to do something it was not designed to do could break its functionality elsewhere if not properly tested and vetted. So far, you are the only person asking for this, and everyone else is happy to use wikitables. You may wish to [[WP:DROPTHESTICK]] here, since consensus is clearly against adding code for this edge case. Alternatively, you could do what {{u|Quri.inka}} has already shown to do exactly what you want and use {{para|style|custom}}. —&nbsp;[[User:Jkudlick|Jkudlick]]&nbsp;&#x2693;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Jkudlick|(talk)]] 16:54, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
::This is not wikitables. This is a module with <code>|style=Custom</code>. [[User:Quri.inka|Quri.inka]] ([[User talk:Quri.inka|talk]]) 23:21, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
::This is pretty much what you want. You just add the column names. [[User:Quri.inka|Quri.inka]] ([[User talk:Quri.inka|talk]]) 23:24, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

@[[User:Max2610|Max2610]]: Hello, according to consensus, we should reconsider using the '''[[:Module:Sports table/WDL]]''' for creating the seeding tables. So you, Max, as the most hardworking editor of youth football articles, decide now: Do we change those huge seeding tables to wikitables or to custom-style modules? Here's a list of articles with WDL-style modules:
* [[2024 UEFA Women's Under-17 Championship qualification#Round 2]] (2 tables)
* [[2024 UEFA Women's Under-19 Championship qualification#Round 2]] (2 tables)
* [[2025 UEFA Women's Under-17 Championship qualification]] (4 tables)
* [[2025 UEFA Women's Under-19 Championship qualification]] (4 tables)
* [[2026 UEFA Women's Under-17 Championship qualification]] (4 tables)
* [[2026 UEFA Women's Under-19 Championship qualification]] (4 tables)
I noticed that wikitables are used in the boys' qualifications. And even without the W, D and L parameters. I realized that basically only the Pts, GD, and GF parameters are mandatory for the seeding tables. So when I project this fact into a custom-module table, it might look something like this:
{{#invoke:Sports table|main|style=Custom
|source=UEFA
|num_cols=3
|ranking_col=1
|colstyle1=pts
|col_header2={{abbr|GD|Goal difference}}
|col_header3={{abbr|GF|Goals for}}
|show_groups=yes
|group_header={{abbr|Gr&nbsp;(Rk)|Group (Rank in group)}}
|group_GEO=[[2024 UEFA Women's Under-19 Championship qualification#Group B5 2|'''B5''' (4)]] |name_GEO={{fbwu|19|GEO}}
|group_MLT={{New entry}} |name_MLT={{fbwu|19|MLT}}
|update=complete

|col1_GEO=1 |col2_GEO=2 |col3_GEO=3
|col1_MLT=— |col2_MLT=— |col3_MLT=—

|team_order=GEO, MLT

|res_col_header=Seeding
|result1=1 |result2=1
|col_1=green1 |text_1=Pot 4
}}
So what do you say: Which direction are we going to go? Thanks, [[User:Maiō T.|Maiō T.]] ([[User talk:Maiō T.|talk]]) 20:15, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

:That’s not how wikipedia works. No individual makes such a decision. [[User:Tvx1|T]][[User Talk:Tvx1|v]][[Special:Contributions/Tvx1|x]]1 22:05, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

== Possibly ignored parameters ==

{{ping|Frietjes}} I believe you worked on the parameter tracking for this module, I was wondering if there is any way to not add pages to {{cat|Pages using sports table with possibly ignored parameters}} when the #switch parser function is used (for templates containing multiple tables)? For example {{tl|2025 FIFA U-17 World Cup group tables}}, which causes that page and [[2025 FIFA U-17 World Cup]] to end up in the tracking category for using the {{{1}}} parameter. Thanks! [[User:S.A. Julio|S.A. Julio]] ([[User talk:S.A. Julio#top|talk]]) 19:40, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
: [[User:S.A. Julio|S.A. Julio]], it would be difficult to have the module read the wrapping template, but we can have a parameter to signal that {{para|1}} is valid.  I made [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3A2025_FIFA_U-17_World_Cup_group_tables&diff=1323939203&oldid=1321626421 this work], but I am not sure if that is the best name for the option.  let me know if you have a suggestion for a better name for the option.  [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 19:07, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
::{{re|Frietjes}} perhaps {{para|param1_valid|y}} or simply {{para|param1|y}}? —&nbsp;[[User:Jkudlick|Jkudlick]]&nbsp;&#x2693;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Jkudlick|(talk)]] 19:29, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
:::{{re|Frietjes}} Great, thank you! I made a slight modification to the parameter name based on the above comment, which should still be clear. [[User:S.A. Julio|S.A. Julio]] ([[User talk:S.A. Julio#top|talk]]) 21:53, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
:::: looks good. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 23:03, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{re|Frietjes}} While on the topic, I noticed {{cat|Pages using sports table with possibly ignored parameters}} is populated with a lot of pages using {{para|team}} instead of {{para|showteam}}. Should we consider adding it as an alias? And also, would it be possible to exclude the tracking categories from outside the template/article mainspace, as well as template testcases/sandboxes? Thanks, [[User:S.A. Julio|S.A. Julio]] ([[User talk:S.A. Julio#top|talk]]) 06:33, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::: [[User:S.A. Julio|S.A. Julio]], I like that idea.  it would mean that the bolding in articles like [[2009 Chicago Fire season]] would suddenly start to work, and any templates with <code><nowiki>| showteam = {{{team|}}}</nowiki></code> could be simplified as well.  I will do that right now.  as far as the namespace restrictions go, that should be possible as well.  I can work on that later today. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 17:23, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::: I filtered out userspace, and will work on more filtering later. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 18:11, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::::{{re|Frietjes}} Wonderful, thank you so much! [[User:S.A. Julio|S.A. Julio]] ([[User talk:S.A. Julio#top|talk]]) 18:36, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

== Total points ==

Hello again. The time has come when it is really necessary to add a user-defined parameter for the number of points. See this table: [[2026 FINA Women's Water Polo World Cup#League phase]]. Some poor old user there was trying all sorts of crazy tricks to achieve the desired total points. I think this is unacceptable; we should do what I suggested above. Thanks, [[User:Maiō T.|Maiō T.]] ([[User talk:Maiō T.|talk]]) 22:40, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

:{{para|adjust_points}} already exists and seemed to work just fine. In my opinion, the real issue here is that FINA used a relatively opaque algorithm to calculate points in this; I cannot find where the method of calculating the "Tournament Performance Index" is defined. —&nbsp;[[User:Jkudlick|Jkudlick]]&nbsp;&#x2693;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Jkudlick|(talk)]] 02:07, 28 April 2026 (UTC)